Sometimes Christians write postings and close the comments, which I find a pretty cowardly attitude. If they were so sure, no comment could harm their argument. In some of this cases, I simply use the nice possibility of a ping-back to make a reply, like in this case…
Let’s talk about absolute morality, again. Let’s assume that it exists. Let’s assume that there ARE things that are absolutely good, let’s say… killing people who work on saturdays… and things that are absolutely evil… like being gay…. and absolutely doesn’t matter (neutral), like…. erm… keeping slaves… Completely random examples, of course, I am not looking at any specific religion here… (suuureee)… So, the big question is… How do you know?
Honestly, sometimes I have this weird feeling of fighting a hydra when discussing with Christians… You can chop of one head with a well placed argument, but two new ones will grow and each will shout „That’s NOT what Christians believe! Instead, real Christians believe… <enter some other strange stuff>.“
As I have written about a few days ago, we cannot really define „good“ in the context of an omnipotent god. But can we at least make sure that he’s benevolent torwards us (if we assume he exists)? Weiterlesen
Honestly, this is mainly a posting that I’m writing so that I can later point to it, because somehow Christians often try to play the „Atheism must be bad, because Hitler was an atheist“ card, an argument sometimes called Reductio ad Hitlerum. Guess what: He was catholic. He was a Christian. There is no denying that, as he wrote into his heinous „Mein Kampf“, that he did what he did because he believed to do god’s will. So, dear believers, mentioning Hitler is effectively shooting your own leg of. So, don’t.
Sometimes, people (ok, Christians) want to cherry-pick, telling me that Adolf Hitler was no „true“ Christian. Sorry, you don’t get to use that „Get out of Jail free“ card, see the „no true Scotsman“ fallacy. Or, for example, someone wanted to explain that as Hitler was member of the Thule Society (a claim that’s not even proven, it’s not really sure how much Hitler had to do with them) and could not have been Christian. Bad luck here, he still was. He could have been a member of stamp collectors anonymous and still be a Christian. You don’t get to decide who is a Christian, simple as that. If someone was baptized, claimed to be a Christian and was accepted as a Christian by the church, he is Christian. End of Story.
Ok, now I got this out of my system, I want to add something more positive: I do not think that Hitler did what he did because he was Christian. He was a crazy sociopath, no doubt about that, and people like him need no reason, only sometimes an excuse. Someone like Hitler would probably have found a way to be horrible even if he was an Jainist. The only thing we can learn from this is, that religion is no guarantee to make someone a good person. People can be bad and people can be good – religion doesn’t change that.
(But, of course, a little detail: More than 1000 years of church sanctioned hatred of Jews in europa surely did prepare the way for the horrible things that happened in the 3rd Reich. Even Lutherans have to be ashamed here, as Luther himself was a strict anti-semit, demanding that all synagogues and Jewish houses should be burned.)
Again, a crazy guy shot innocent people, children even. So let me make one thing clear: You don’t do your cause any favor if you try to use this tragedy for it. If you’re a christian, don’t blame atheists because they „forbid“ god in schools – it’s nonsense and makes you look like a moron. And if you’re an atheist, don’t ask where god was. This is not the right place and not the right time. Support the people who still suffer, the people who lost their loved ones, etc. – but please stop that bickering here. It doesn’t help your cause. The only outcome is, that you look like a monster who doesn’t care about such things, one who only wants to profit from it. So, don’t. Please.